1893 O Morgan - Looks like a Fake to me!

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1893 O Morgan - Looks like a Fake to me!

#1 Unread post by Funky Strike »

Funkmeister back again for another hunt from the wild woods of eBay land!

Got this 1893-O Morgan in the mail today and it didn't smell right

Threw it on my cheap scale and it came up light - ran it down my magnet slide and it slid so fast I thought it had grease on it!

It's got that fake dirt toning look and the letters on the Denomination look "Funky" - but not in a way that I like my Funk!

I'm going to do a catch and release on this one - unless you guys think it's a keeper?

Thanks to this forum and the videos I'm not as easy to fool - So Thank You again for all your help!

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Doesn't look correct to me either / than it's
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SensibleSal66 wrote: Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:08 pm Doesn't look correct to me either / than it's

May I ask what looks incorrect on this coin?
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I know they are just pics, but I am not having any red flags on this one.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
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Re: 1893 O Morgan - Looks like a Fake to me!

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If it slides fast down the slide it is not silver, as such it CAN'T be authentic. It looks fake to me, and doesn't have the appropriate mint strike I am used to seeing.

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Well...First I'll say forgive me if I don't use the right terms in describing what I see:

I thought the distance from the "N" to the "E" in ONE was awkward - but it is close the the picture on the PCGS site

The Coin feels light compared to the other Morgans I have

I thought the Legend and the Denomination letters were not evenly distanced from the rim and the letters are "sloppy" - they droop or have a weak Serif

The cheek is clean - So are the Fields - For such a worn coin how can it not have scratches or dents?

The whole coin is super shinny - but it's not luster

As always - Thank You for your insights!
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#7 Unread post by Earle42 »

I am not sure how I missed the part about the magnet test failing!

As can be seen from my post on another forum with a fake 1879, I posted overlays to show how good the Chinese were at faking Morgans. That was almost a decade ago and they have had plenty of time to practice since then!
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I assume the rim on yours shows straight and complete edge milling?
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Really Paul . I wouldn't call you out ever . It's my educated decision / my opinion .
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Sal,
What makes you think I'm "Calling You Out"?

I just wanted to know what you saw in the posted images, that's all.
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Here is a side view of the Coin next to a "Real" 1895-O (Don't mind my fat fingers!)

You can see the difference - And the Fake 1893-O is rounded around the Edge as well.

Thank You again for all your help!
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They seem to be improving :(
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Unfortunately, every time a comment & image are posted to a public bulletin board, or the Internet in general.....

That information is then used to eliminate those flaws, and improve on their deceptiveness
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Good Point - But you guys help us get and stay educated - The best way to fight fraud!
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