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reverse of a 21p morgan i was given a while ago, threw it in a drawer and forgot about it. pulled it out today and was looking at it and on the reverse i thought there was some ordinary circ damage around the arrows, feathers, bow area. after looking closer, maybe some sort of vam. looked through vams, the closest one i could find was reverse pitting. just weird that the damage doesn't touch the feathers, branch or bow and moving it around in light it still looke like it has the strike layer. took the best pics i could. just for curiosity sake. thanks in advance.
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no takers?

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Might be struck through but very little interest in stuff like this. Can't really tell what it is. But most of all, patience is very important here. Many of us help here in our spare time.

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sorry to have bothered anybody, will keep it down to a minimum.

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silverbul wrote: โ†‘Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:56 pm sorry to have bothered anybody, will keep it down to a minimum.
Hey S, it ain't you Braugh, sometimes the time it takes to respond has to do with thinking about the subject at hand. Since I tend to be a BIG personality, and verbose I prefer to give a complete answer, everyone is different, some may just say "that really is nothing special" and leave it at that, neither way is wrong IMHO, just different. Also please remember The Big D is running a business so he doesn't have the tons of free time someone else ahem, ahem, has, or might have, at least until the reaper gets us. Remember one coin per post, and posted in the right forum.

Anyway, as to your Morgan, and yes Paul I am fascinated and obsessed with them for my own collecting, so there. OK back to "the Coin". The thing about VAMS is that they vary in variety, yes a more profound statement can't be found.

So with my 1891 P there are 81 known die pairs, of which mine is # 10. This order is the order discovered and not chronological, however a new "normal" die would be VAM 1. There are also sub varieties, none for the 10 but there is one for the 12, 12A which means there is a difference in this Die, some markers line up with the 12, with something more in the 12A. Anyway, this being the case, there would be a run of coins with this particular die set, it is not a low mintage or one off error, like a penny on a dime planchet, but they are unique, and I don't care what the Pro's say, I like em, it is a poor man's way of collecting unique stuff, unlike some of us here from Ohio and Wisconsin who can afford to buy 1793 copper cent with a bald liberty (no flowing hair), and 13 chain links instead of 15.

So where does yours fit, well it is not pitting, so there is that, pitting looks more like pitting ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†, so since this is the case, what else could it be. The pitting is caused by minor Die corrosion, and if a die had enough corrosion to cause that amount of disruption, I would think it would never be allowed in service. So my opinion is that it is a grease strike through, and as such will not register as a VAM, its like the missing numbers on cents etc, the grease goes away with use, and the die continues working. Don't forget grease, to a greater extent is incompressible, so under pressure, it will act like steel.

Ok now having said allllll of this, and adding a bit of Haranguing, if you think you might be running into more of these, join CONECA, after you join you get cheap attribution rights, and by doing this you remove a doubt.

Wow I'm tired now SO VIVA LA VAM

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#7 Unread post by Earle42 »

I second the Mule's post of:
Hey S, it ain't you Braugh,
Visiting this forum is something I do once a day at random times. Also, I know nothing of VAMs and didn't answer. I don't like to add to confusion by posting opinion unless I am sure of what I type (or else fairly sure and then say so in the post). Please keep posting - not need to apologize. We just are not here 24/7 :)

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