Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

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Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

#1 Unread post by monsterbug1 »

Same Story, ,more or less. I pulled this 1913 T1 out of a bulk bin for a buck. It appears to be in better than average condition (VF-XF). After further inspection, it also appears that it may have an "S" mint mark, but I am unsure, and would like verification by those who are more knowledgeable than me.
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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

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I think you're wishing to hard.........JMO
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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

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Paul wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:39 pm I think you're wishing to hard.........JMO
I may be, but I may not be

In case you do not remember, the last one of these questionable nickels turned out to have a "S" mint mark

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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

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Is this the second time this has been posted? If so, please do not do that. I am seeing double post everyday.

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Daniel wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:28 pm Is this the second time this has been posted? If so, please do not do that. I am seeing double post everyday.
no; same issue, 2 different coins

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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

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While I have this forum for help, there's some coins that can't be solved using this forum and images. I afraid your coin is one of them.

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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

#7 Unread post by Earle42 »

Not seeing anything. Compare what you think you are seeing with pictures on PCGS of Type I S buffalos to even see if what you think you see might be in the proper position/size/font of known mint marks for that year. This one is even more difficult than the other. I agree with Daniel, not everything will be able to be told posting to a forum.
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Earle42 wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:54 pm Not seeing anything. Compare what you think you are seeing with pictures on PCGS of Type I S buffalos to even see if what you think you see might be in the proper position/size/font of known mint marks for that year. This one is even more difficult than the other. I agree with Daniel, not everything will be able to be told posting to a forum.
fair enough, fair enough

Whatever I am seeing is under the C in Cents, especially in the 2nd and third images

you can also faintly see it in the last image

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Earle42 wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:54 pm Not seeing anything. Compare what you think you are seeing with pictures on PCGS of Type I S buffalos to even see if what you think you see might be in the proper position/size/font of known mint marks for that year. This one is even more difficult than the other. I agree with Daniel, not everything will be able to be told posting to a forum.
I edited some images to highlight what I am seeing; reference the highlighted area with the original images
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i don't see it on this one.

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even more pictures

What I believe to be the "S" is very dark, and is under the C in cents
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Did you check the position with the PCGS list of slabbed 1913 -S type Is?
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positioning seems slightly farther to the right than usual, but not excessively or unreasonably so. It is hard to accurately judge the vertical position of the mint mark due to the wear near the edge of the coin on circulated examples

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Even a slight misalignment from known positions is enough to indicate its not a mint mark. There are some known and very good fakes of 1909 VDB cents and 1914-D cents where mint mark positioning is slightly off. one of the key factors for identifying the fakes is this off positioning.

Also don't forget to check the size of the mint mark. Two S mint marks styles were used for Buffalos. The first was small. Starting in 1918 a larger one was used.

Look at the Buffalo e-book on varietyvista.com. You will find a section of mint mark styles showing pictures of the size and years each mint mark style was used.
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Paul wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:39 pm I think you're wishing to hard.........JMO
I think I am going to agree with Paul. There is no there, there.
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Earle42 wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:13 am Even a slight misalignment from known positions is enough to indicate its not a mint mark. There are some known and very good fakes of 1909 VDB cents and 1914-D cents where mint mark positioning is slightly off. one of the key factors for identifying the fakes is this off positioning.

Also don't forget to check the size of the mint mark. Two S mint marks styles were used for Buffalos. The first was small. Starting in 1918 a larger one was used.

Look at the Buffalo e-book on varietyvista.com. You will find a section of mint mark styles showing pictures of the size and years each mint mark style was used.
might I ask if you can see whatsoever what I am seeing with the use of the edited images that highlight what I believe to be the remnants of the S mint mark

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#17 Unread post by Earle42 »

Please realize what I am typing is NOT sarcastic or demeaning in any way. I know intensions are not possible to be seen in typing. So I want to be up front and make sure you are aware of this. 😊

I will tell you what I can see and type those things as I see them.

In the different pictures I can make out multiple things underneath multiple letters. The longer I look, the more I can see them make shapes. In the darker pic I can make out what my eyes want to see (pareidolia) as a tiny D under the letter V. I the lighter pic the D turns into an 8.

I can see an alligator head looking to the right under the FI in both pictures.

In the darker picture I can see a faint ampersand under and between the E&C, but in the lighter picture, the ampersand is a faint letter O (New Orleans mint😊).

In the darker picture a tiny, underscored zero attached right up against the C's bottom (a little to the left and bottom of the C).
In both pictures I see a letter J underneath the E (in CENTS).

Looking back at the darker picture, I just saw an S centered between the V and E in FIVE (way too far left and way too small for a mint mark).

Inside the letter C - towards its top, in the light picture I can make out a star.

When I zoom in on the picture, my alligator and there is a tiny white mitten at the tip of the rightmost finger. Spread out under the letters "VE CE," I can see the letters BCEW.

The more I look, the more I "see."
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fair enough, fair enough. I am going to make 1 last attempt to show what I am seeing, but I am starting to wonder myself if I am a victim of Pareidolia

at this point, I'm about ready to just nic-a-date it and know for sure

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I am going to make 1 last attempt to show what I am seeing, but I am starting to wonder myself if I am a victim of Pareidolia
Think about this...I could highlight everything I was seeing also. Besides the positioning and size being all wrong of what you have highlighted anyway.

When a person has to go through this much, its definitely not worth the time and almost assuredly is nothing. :(
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Re: Another 1913 T1 Buffalo Nickel, another questionable S mint mark

#20 Unread post by Daniel »

Yeah, these posts are getting to be too much and not what this forum is for, we helped and now it's time to submit for authentication if you don't agree with our advice.

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