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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Hello and welcome . Do you have a pic. of the other side ?
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
While we do ask people post a pic of both sides, what you show here appears to be what is known as a greaser, or struck through grease coin. Dies are polished to extend their usefulness. Sometimes the polishing compound is left in side the die's engraved areas so when a coin is truck, the compound prevents the metal from getting up into the details of the die.
Typically there has to be quite a bit of detail missing for it to bring any premium. Since a greaser is made from random circumstances, there is no standard to tell what it might sell for. It would be good to check eBay SOLD items to find a quarter with a similar amount of missing details to get an idea of what someone would pay. Just saying, don't be expecting a huge payoff though. :(
Typically there has to be quite a bit of detail missing for it to bring any premium. Since a greaser is made from random circumstances, there is no standard to tell what it might sell for. It would be good to check eBay SOLD items to find a quarter with a similar amount of missing details to get an idea of what someone would pay. Just saying, don't be expecting a huge payoff though. :(
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
What is the weight of this coin?
(I do see a full rim gutter here, what does the reeding on the exterior edges look like?)
(I do see a full rim gutter here, what does the reeding on the exterior edges look like?)
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Well I'm so glad to inform you this coin has been graded by pcgs and is NOT STRICK THROUGH GREASE. It is a die adjustment error coin
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Is this the same coin:
https://ctferrorcoins.com/2007-NGC-Unci ... 69576.aspx
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234113675039?c ... tCEALw_wcB
https://coinauctionshelp.com/die-adjust ... int-error/
But if you already knew the answer, then why the question?
https://ctferrorcoins.com/2007-NGC-Unci ... 69576.aspx
https://www.ebay.com/itm/234113675039?c ... tCEALw_wcB
https://coinauctionshelp.com/die-adjust ... int-error/
But if you already knew the answer, then why the question?
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Let me help you with a bit of understanding:
I was a teacher for many years. I believed in making a new test each year in my classes despite the curriculum being the same. That means I have made an awful lot of tests on a professional level. One course I took in college was about how to structure a legitimate test to mean something.
Lets say I gave you a math test. The problem on the paper looks very simple: 10 + 10 = ?
You write 20 and turn it in. Whereupon I tell you you failed the test b/c I kept back some info that the test was in base 2 (binary) so the correct answer is actually 100. BTW, I was a math teacher and 100 is correct in binary.
Obviously you say, “Hey! that isn’t fair! I didn’t have all the information I needed!” Don’t I at least get partial credit for what appears to be a normal math test with an answer of 20?”
You are correct. It was NOT a legitimate test and actually told nothing except I was unable to assess your math knowledge properly.
So what?
You, a newbie to the forum, post the REV of a coin and ask what the error is.
Typically all newbies post only ONE side - the funky side - and we are always telling them the instructions say to post both.
You obviously appeared to be following the typical, “I am in a hurry, I don’t want to read the instructions, here is a coin with a funky side” pattern of posting and asking questions.
Meanwhile you were secretly concealing you wanted the answer in binary (based on two sides, not just one)
A greaser will be one sided b/c of how it occurs. A die adjustment strike will have both sides affected b/c of the nature of how it occurs.
Surely had BOTH sides looked this odd, this forum newbie would have posted both. It just makes sense.
And the next day after giving an answer to a hurried forum newbie, I find I was not given half of the information in order to give the correct answer. Yup, 10 + 10 is 100, but I/we wasn’t (weren’t) told the underlying rule - binary or two sides.
Your test has shown:
1. You need to make sure you understand an entire situation before trying to give a test.
2. You do know how take advantage of people willing to give their time freely to help legitimate people who want to know more about the coin hobby.
3. I am someone who is interested in educating anyone/everyone needing it and helping to open their eyes to the way life has taught me to see what is around me.
Your initial post also gives me the impression you are someone young - like my high school students -who excelled in this type of scenario.
I will be the FIRST to let you know I have been wrong on this forum (and many other places) b/c I am not all- knowing. The day I consider myself to have “arrived” is the day I have had life experiences let me know I am still at the very lowest rung of wisdom/knowledge.
My enjoyment is education no matter what the subject: Coins or helping people understand what the term holistic means.
And I thank you b/c you have made me rethink whether I have been being selfish. My desire to please people by supplying their desired fast answer has been somewhat motivated by my not wanting to have to revisit the same post at a later date, (after asking for both sides of the coin be shown), and finding I end up posting the same answer I was going to post at the start anyway.
I was a teacher for many years. I believed in making a new test each year in my classes despite the curriculum being the same. That means I have made an awful lot of tests on a professional level. One course I took in college was about how to structure a legitimate test to mean something.
Lets say I gave you a math test. The problem on the paper looks very simple: 10 + 10 = ?
You write 20 and turn it in. Whereupon I tell you you failed the test b/c I kept back some info that the test was in base 2 (binary) so the correct answer is actually 100. BTW, I was a math teacher and 100 is correct in binary.
Obviously you say, “Hey! that isn’t fair! I didn’t have all the information I needed!” Don’t I at least get partial credit for what appears to be a normal math test with an answer of 20?”
You are correct. It was NOT a legitimate test and actually told nothing except I was unable to assess your math knowledge properly.
So what?
You, a newbie to the forum, post the REV of a coin and ask what the error is.
Typically all newbies post only ONE side - the funky side - and we are always telling them the instructions say to post both.
You obviously appeared to be following the typical, “I am in a hurry, I don’t want to read the instructions, here is a coin with a funky side” pattern of posting and asking questions.
Meanwhile you were secretly concealing you wanted the answer in binary (based on two sides, not just one)
A greaser will be one sided b/c of how it occurs. A die adjustment strike will have both sides affected b/c of the nature of how it occurs.
Surely had BOTH sides looked this odd, this forum newbie would have posted both. It just makes sense.
And the next day after giving an answer to a hurried forum newbie, I find I was not given half of the information in order to give the correct answer. Yup, 10 + 10 is 100, but I/we wasn’t (weren’t) told the underlying rule - binary or two sides.
Your test has shown:
1. You need to make sure you understand an entire situation before trying to give a test.
2. You do know how take advantage of people willing to give their time freely to help legitimate people who want to know more about the coin hobby.
3. I am someone who is interested in educating anyone/everyone needing it and helping to open their eyes to the way life has taught me to see what is around me.
Your initial post also gives me the impression you are someone young - like my high school students -who excelled in this type of scenario.
I will be the FIRST to let you know I have been wrong on this forum (and many other places) b/c I am not all- knowing. The day I consider myself to have “arrived” is the day I have had life experiences let me know I am still at the very lowest rung of wisdom/knowledge.
My enjoyment is education no matter what the subject: Coins or helping people understand what the term holistic means.
And I thank you b/c you have made me rethink whether I have been being selfish. My desire to please people by supplying their desired fast answer has been somewhat motivated by my not wanting to have to revisit the same post at a later date, (after asking for both sides of the coin be shown), and finding I end up posting the same answer I was going to post at the start anyway.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Not a math teacher, but an engineer who loves math :)
Earle's math test annotated in subscript with the radix (base) for each number in the equation:
Ya gotta love math teachers (full disclosure - my wife is a math teacher!)...
Best,
Jeff
Earle's math test annotated in subscript with the radix (base) for each number in the equation:
Ya gotta love math teachers (full disclosure - my wife is a math teacher!)...
Best,
Jeff
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
@ Jeff...
It "figures"Ya gotta love math teachers (full disclosure - my wife is a math teacher!)...
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
LOL! I appreciated Earle's analogy in this case, didn't mean to muddy the waters! Back to his point, it was a good one :)
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
That one is easy E=Energy, M=Mass, C=speed of light squared. That is basically all equations when it comes to energy. E=I2 /R
Energy (Power)= inductance Squared over Resistance. Spent 20 years using all that math that everyone said you would neve use
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
This conversation is WAY too smart for me! (But I did enjoy the "Funky" reference!)
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
LOL! The board members here never cease to crack me up, on top of sharing their coin expertise. I repeat - what a great forum!
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
I know everybody knows these:
V(x,p) = v(x)w(p)
N(t) = N0e-λt
(cα ⋅ p̂ + Βmc2) ψ = iℏ δψ/δt
Δ λ/ λ = v/c
K = 2NuP K = u
Daniel, I know this doesn't have to do with numismatics but I couldn't resist.
V(x,p) = v(x)w(p)
N(t) = N0e-λt
(cα ⋅ p̂ + Βmc2) ψ = iℏ δψ/δt
Δ λ/ λ = v/c
K = 2NuP K = u
Daniel, I know this doesn't have to do with numismatics but I couldn't resist.
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
V(x,p) = v(x)w(p) I do not recognize this one
N(t) = N0e-λt Radioactive decay
(cα ⋅ p̂ + Βmc2) ψ = iℏ δψ/δt Not sure what this one is for, but it appears to have some thing to do with Quantum Mechanics because of ψ which if I remember my training has to do with Electron Function
Δ λ/ λ = v/c This one is about figuring the Doppler shift.
K = 2NuP K = u Do not know this one
I only know N(t) = N0e-λt and Δ λ/ λ = v/c because I used them working on satellite related equipment and cesium clocks (originally used the half life of Cesium to keep time, now it is cesium-133 gas passing through a microwave chamber. (accurate to within 1 sec over darn can't remember but is is somewhere between 40-60 million years). Of course we had cheat sheets (scientific calculator with the formula pre-programed) with fill in the blanks to get the right answer.
N(t) = N0e-λt Radioactive decay
(cα ⋅ p̂ + Βmc2) ψ = iℏ δψ/δt Not sure what this one is for, but it appears to have some thing to do with Quantum Mechanics because of ψ which if I remember my training has to do with Electron Function
Δ λ/ λ = v/c This one is about figuring the Doppler shift.
K = 2NuP K = u Do not know this one
I only know N(t) = N0e-λt and Δ λ/ λ = v/c because I used them working on satellite related equipment and cesium clocks (originally used the half life of Cesium to keep time, now it is cesium-133 gas passing through a microwave chamber. (accurate to within 1 sec over darn can't remember but is is somewhere between 40-60 million years). Of course we had cheat sheets (scientific calculator with the formula pre-programed) with fill in the blanks to get the right answer.
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
(cα ⋅ p̂ + Βmc2) ψ = iℏ δψ/δt
Actually...yes. In fact, though you might think I am making it up for the forum, I am not. I was reading about the quantum mechanics variant of this equation the other day (one of Stephen Hawking's books) known as the Schroedinger equation. Your equation is the relativistic version which I had forgotten the name of so I cheated and looked it up: the Dirac Equation. Man...its been 1983 since I was in Dr. Roach's nuclear physics class! That's a long time ago.
Admittedly, I have seen and used some of the other equations in the past as well, but I could not have told you what they were without looking them up. After DS explained what they were, some rang a distant bell in my memory, but I would not have known them otherwise. I do remember using the radioactive decay rate formula and Doppler shift...but its been way too long!
The problem is I went into teaching high school texts which never get this deep so all that egghead stuff was put too deep into storage and leaked out while I was not thinking about it.
And...BTW...I will be one who stands up and says the emperor has no new clothes when it comes to some of Dr. Hawkings ideas. Yikes!
Actually...yes. In fact, though you might think I am making it up for the forum, I am not. I was reading about the quantum mechanics variant of this equation the other day (one of Stephen Hawking's books) known as the Schroedinger equation. Your equation is the relativistic version which I had forgotten the name of so I cheated and looked it up: the Dirac Equation. Man...its been 1983 since I was in Dr. Roach's nuclear physics class! That's a long time ago.
Admittedly, I have seen and used some of the other equations in the past as well, but I could not have told you what they were without looking them up. After DS explained what they were, some rang a distant bell in my memory, but I would not have known them otherwise. I do remember using the radioactive decay rate formula and Doppler shift...but its been way too long!
The problem is I went into teaching high school texts which never get this deep so all that egghead stuff was put too deep into storage and leaked out while I was not thinking about it.
And...BTW...I will be one who stands up and says the emperor has no new clothes when it comes to some of Dr. Hawkings ideas. Yikes!
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: Whats these fine coin professionals think
Schrodinger equation has another theorem is Schrodinger box which is if you place a cat in a box, once inside the box it lives in two states. 1: The cat is dead 2: the cat is alive. It lives within these two states until someone opens the box.
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This is the problem with theoretical "sciences." Shcrodinger knew the cat was not both at the same time. But the idea concerns the mathematical probabilities being unknown due to quantum physics and relativity. Its about when quantum mechanics let's go and allows reality do what it wants.
The even worse part is we talk of these two theories as if they are scientific fact as well (weird - been reading this lately!). The two theories are mutually exclusive but both have to be true the way we "understand" the subject. So we keep expounding on them and going deeper!
Unfortunately now things like this have led to "scientific FACT" can now be discerned allegedly by probability and not reality in observation. The search was on for the "Higg's boson," and I got tired of seeing reports of "we found it!" and people saying they had when all they really had was a chance they did calculated to be within acceptable limits.
Oh well.. I wonder what the probability an invalid test would lead the forum to talking over quantum mechanics is ,and whether or not its alive or dead when we are online?
The even worse part is we talk of these two theories as if they are scientific fact as well (weird - been reading this lately!). The two theories are mutually exclusive but both have to be true the way we "understand" the subject. So we keep expounding on them and going deeper!
Unfortunately now things like this have led to "scientific FACT" can now be discerned allegedly by probability and not reality in observation. The search was on for the "Higg's boson," and I got tired of seeing reports of "we found it!" and people saying they had when all they really had was a chance they did calculated to be within acceptable limits.
Oh well.. I wonder what the probability an invalid test would lead the forum to talking over quantum mechanics is ,and whether or not its alive or dead when we are online?
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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