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#1 Unread post by claudewill1 »

I believe I found an 1890CC VAM4.
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Did you mean 1890-CC VAM-4 Far Date, Tailbar Die gouge ?
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Yes I did, I typed the wrong number.

I'm slowly starting to move into things other than Wheat/Memorial Cents.

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Got the results in from ANACS, "VAM-4 TAILBAR TOP 100 RIM BUMPS - CLEANED."

I had a feeling it would get a details grade, I really wanted to verify the VAM and make sure the coin was real. I always wonder if certain raw coins I get off eBay might be counterfeit.

It's for my personal collection, also, there were a few other things I wanted to send, but don't need in a PCGS or NGC holder.

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Hey Claude, if you just wanted to confirm the VAM you could have gone to CONECA, less expensive and takes less time. If the VAM is confirmed, well then it is genuine. As far as being cleaned, this past January in the CONECA Error Scope magazine there was an article about sending "details" coins for encapsulation, some interesting thoughts there. Also Daniel has a collectors view on this, and in a video he explains why he feels it is a good thing to do. Hmmm sounds like there is an article in there for me. Anyway, to save some money, maybe you can knock on Paul's door, if he answers tell him The Coin Mule sent you 😎

Oh yeah, cool coin cleaned or not. Now one thing I learned from Daniel is "almost all Morgans are VAMS" so he only attributes TOP 100, etc. These have the greatest returns. Me, I don't care, I still have VAM fever, much to Mrs. Mules chagrin, she says, and I quote, "how is it that every day you cut your losers short, and let your winners ride, but you will OOOOverpay for some coins", I say, it's the chase, finding them in the wilderness, then hanging the obverse on the wall, what a rush 😆

One more thing, join CONECA it's inexpensive enough, and it knocks the expense down, you also will be supporting some really good folks in the industry, and Paul. 😉
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claudewill1 wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:41 am Got the results in from ANACS, "VAM-4 TAILBAR TOP 100 RIM BUMPS - CLEANED."

I had a feeling it would get a details grade, I really wanted to verify the VAM and make sure the coin was real. I always wonder if certain raw coins I get off eBay might be counterfeit.

It's for my personal collection, also, there were a few other things I wanted to send, but don't need in a PCGS or NGC holder.
claudewill1 wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:02 pm Yes I did, I typed the wrong number.

I'm slowly starting to move into things other than Wheat/Memorial Cents.
First - If you enjoy collecting slabbed coins, then know I am not trying to discourage you from collecting slabs.

I can tell you though that even studying fake coins and learning to ID them yourself can be a fun part of the hobby...and is not difficult. I have identified an awful lot of fake coins in the past and enjoy seeing the progression of modern fakers fom terrible to better (though I wish they would stop!)

Cast coins are easy when you know what to look for. Weight can be made the same, but in order to do it, the fakes generally are thicker or thinner (different metals have different weight by unit size).

I found even the famous Omega gold coins that fooled everyone in the 70s (including the companies) can be discerned with the techniques available to anyone with a computer today. Transparent graphic overlays and something I call a line drawing comparison show them fake.

I also bought quite a few for dirt cheap when the market started to explode with them (and eBay was allowing it - 2011). Some in hand gave a really good idea of what to look for. To offset the idea I was paying the fakers for their product, I studied them and posted comparisons on the coin forum I was one back then (and still am). I also make it a point to try to help people ID their fakes and have been able to do so and save people from being fooled.

Grading companies have no magic they use for their services, they have simply accumulated knowledge* and then used it to teach their people. Ron Guth was a former PCGS president and although not a direct quote (I don't have it memorized!), he made a statement that anyone can learn to grade coins, it just takes experience looking at hundreds of them.

Just a thought for saving more money to buy coins with instead of paying someone else for what any avid coin collector can do for themselves.

*though even avid followers of PCGS etc. will tell you they have a bad record of attributing varieties other than the most famous such as a 55 DDO cent. I had one avid fan try to tell me it was because the graders only grade and then they hand it off to just one individual for variety attribution. When I asked for documentation of this idea, he had none. It is not mentioned anywhere on the PCGS website either.
So it seems instead that looking at their record of variety attribution just reveals one of (several) of the holes in their (what they hope people will believe is perfect) armor.
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With this particular coin, I already knew the VAM and had an idea of the grade range outside of the fact it was a problem coin, I just wanted it in an ANACS holder. I was able to determine the VAM just by looking at the eBay photos and it wasn't being sold as one. I know some people may be against sending stuff of to a tpg service, which is fine, however, I just enjoy collecting slabbed coins.

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Then go for it! They make for a nice looking collection and a hobby is about fun and what you enjoy 😊
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One thing I like about ANACS model is even though a coin is details, they still put what it would be number wise if it weren't for the damage. I think I put the coin in a VG8 to maybe F12 as far as details, ANACS put it at 15. I didn't see the numeric part until I got it back.

I wish ANACS would get more recognition as they have been around the longest as far as grading companies go.

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