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2002 Brilliant proof dollar value

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I have a 2002 proof dollar with no frosting whatsoever. As far as I know this is called a brilliant proof and was common before the 70's... But is it normal with modern coins?
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Not sure if it's necessary - just imagine a Sacagewea dollar with a finish of a 1960 proof quarter.

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TomekD wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:09 pm Not sure if it's necessary - just imagine a Sacagewea dollar with a finish of a 1960 proof quarter.
Also need Reverse Photos as well, Higher Quality photos would be very nice though.
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Iceresistance wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:47 pm
TomekD wrote: Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:09 pm Also need Reverse Photos as well, Higher Quality photos would be very nice though.
Here you go, I tried to get the highest quality possible. I photographed it with a "regular" proof cent for comparison.
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It doesn't have a finish of a 1960, the 1960's proofs are not a special finish, the coin looks normal. It could be plated, cleaned, circulated or just not as frosty as some proofs. However, it doesn't have some special finish.

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Just wanted to clarify, I've seen plated, cleaned and circulated proofs before and this is not it - what I'm saying it is is a modern proof missing all of its frosting.

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I believe that your confusing your proof coin with what's called a "Cameo" or
"Ultra Cameo", which have frosted devices.
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I did an internet search for images of "proof 2002 Sacajewea dollar coin" and they all look like yours - no frosted devices for that year.
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I disagree
There were cameos and ultra cameos made that year
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I know there were always cameos and ultra cameos made when the dies were fresh, but the "regular" issues for this year were just typical mirrored surfaces correct (or not?).
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Paul wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:02 am I believe that your confusing your proof coin with what's called a "Cameo" or
"Ultra Cameo", which have frosted devices.
What do you mean? Aren't all proofs cameos?

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Paul wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:02 am I believe that your confusing your proof coin with what's called a "Cameo" or
"Ultra Cameo", which have frosted devices.
What percentage of proof coins don't have frosted devices? Just so I know.

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Paul wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 12:54 pm SEE
Just to make sure I am not confused.

You can find Cameo and ultra cameo, let's say, Franklin halves and corresponding prices for each. But the mint never offered "frosted" proofs or cameos or U-cameos" as a direct product for sale. The mint did not actively seek to make cameo proofs for that series. Cameos then were a more rare result of the minting process.

So are you saying the mint DID deliberately offer frosted/cameo proofs for sale in 2002 as well as also offering normal surfaced proofs the same year (making ~equal amounts on purpose)?
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#16 Unread post by Triple C »

@Earle42...I must admit, reading the posts between you and Paul got me a bit disoriented 🤔. So, I had to refresh my memory and read the following article:
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/65 ... tra-cameo/
After reading it and going back to the thread and reading each post again, Paul's statement made a whole lot more sense!!! 😉
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No one knows the percentage but most proof coins from 1964 and are not cameo or deep cameo.

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#18 Unread post by Earle42 »

I see where I added to the confusion.

My end of it:
1. I was trying to get across the idea that in 2002 the normal proof coins, unlike modern production proofs, were meant to have a mirror finish.
2. This is unlike today where the mint deliberately frosts the devices on every proof.

I posted the picture from an online search engine that shows only normal proof Sacs. for that year.

So I made the comment:
Earle42 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:25 am I did an internet search for images of "proof 2002 Sacajewea dollar coin" and they all look like yours - no frosted devices for that year.
proof 2002 sacalewea dollar coin at DuckDuckGo - Vivaldi.jpg
The context, from the OP's question, was asking if non-frosted proofs were normal for 2002:
TomekD wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:31 pm I have a 2002 proof dollar with no frosting whatsoever. As far as I know this is called a brilliant proof and was common before the 70's... But is it normal with modern coins?
His statement, which I was answering, precluded needing to mention there were the typical and scarce cameo proofs made. We were talking about if the mint was deliberately making all proofs frosted back then.

So my wording of "no frosted devices for that year" was mistaken by Paul as me saying (which is impossible) that no frosted proofs whatsoever were made in 2002.

I then mistook Paul as saying the mint had been deliberately frosting proofs in 2002 as well as making normal production proofs.

That is why I asked him if they made entire production runs of each.

Summary:

The mint did not deliberately frost proofs in 2002 - this characteristic was added to all proofs in more recent times.

Cameo (frosted proofs) have been around as long as proofs have been made, but in much smaller numbers since the frosting is a result of a coin being struck with newly polished proof coin dies.
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Thanks a lot, that really cleared up everything for me! Also, what are proofs like this priced at? (my expectations are at 2-3$ but I still want to know the specifics)

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TomekD wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:54 am Thanks a lot, that really cleared up everything for me! Also, what are proofs like this priced at? (my expectations are at 2-3$ but I still want to know the specifics)
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#21 Unread post by Earle42 »

I agree.
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