1921 Peace: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety?

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1921 Peace: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety?

#1 Unread post by jaberwoke »

I have read quite a bit regarding VAM's, Double Dies and Machine Doubling and Machine Errors, to try and understand what I found recently regarding a coin I own (and... just because I enjoy learning about coins and their variations). Hope you may help me better understand.

My coin is a 1921 Peace Dollar, ANACS graded MS60, Cleaned, and has interesting defects I believe to be machine doubling... or not??? (photos below):
1921 Peace Dollar MS0010.jpg
Now... here is a 1921 Peace Dollar with the same defects, PCGS MS66, which sold recently in an HA auction. I'll add that I copied the PCGS photos of that coin from the PCGS website, examined the polishing marks, compaired them to my coin and can say both coins are struck from the same die pair:
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I see the "push" errors on the lettering and then a sharp "ledge" error on the back of the eagles head. Can both types of machine errors be reproduced multiple times on a run of coins? Push on "U N I" and a nick on the "T"? a "push" on the "U" in "PLURIBUS" but none on the other letters??

The best I know how to ask my question is as above: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety? If a run of coins using the same die pair reproduce the same unique errors, is it a machine error or is the die reproducing the error and not the machine, making it a die "variety" or a VAM?

This is my first post posing a question to forum members and sincerely appreciate any and all opinions. And... hope we may all learn a bit more regarding errors and varieties!

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Re: 1921 Peace: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety?

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All Morgan and Peace dollars are VAMs, a variety is the die pair that struck the coin's characteristics like die cracks, clashes, gouges and die breaks. So since all of them are already VAMs then you go to vamworld.com and look up which on you have.

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Re: 1921 Peace: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety?

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All Morgan and Peace dollars are VAMs, a variety is the die pair that struck the coin's characteristics like die cracks, clashes, gouges and die breaks. So since all of them are already VAMs then you go to vamworld.com and look up which on you have.

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Re: 1921 Peace: When, if ever, does what appears to be a machine error on a Morgan or Peace Dollar become a die variety?

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Variety - a coin that differs from its basic INTENDED design type
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