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#1 Unread post by ccharin »

I am a Platinum Member with PCGS and found this looking through an old collection of coins that stopped in 1972 for my daughters boyfriend. It was his grandmothers coin collection and I picked out all the silver for him and spent 8 hours looking through all the coins in the collection to make sure nothing was dumped at the bank that was worth something more than face. I have never seen an error like this and could not find anything online about it.
Should I send this in to get graded with PCGS and is it worth a lot of money to someone who collects errors?
I looked through a loop and it is a 1966 even though the 6 is missing.
At first I thought it was solder but there is a break in the wing on the planchet and the metal fold is perfect in the rim of the coin without effecting the edges. Strange how the 6 is completely missing. I watch Daniel all the time on Youtube and have purchased from his store. I really appreciate the help and look forward to getting some feedback from the community.
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#2 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Hello ! I see two things here. One is a "grease filled die" (common) with the date. The second one and more exciting is the Reverse " Cud". They can be found here: http://cuds-on-coins.com/washington-qua ... 1932-1999/
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SensibleSal66 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:37 am Hello ! I see two things here. One is a "grease filled die" (common) with the date.

What you have here is a "Reverse Cud", which results in missing details on the opposite side of the coin....

There is no "Grease Filled Die" here!
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Paul wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:15 am
SensibleSal66 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:37 am Hello ! I see two things here. One is a "grease filled die" (common) with the date.

What you have here is a "Reverse Cud", which results in missing details on the opposite side of the coin....

There is no "Grease Filled Die" here!

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Upon closer inspection, I agree with paul.
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Paul wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:15 am
SensibleSal66 wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 3:37 am Hello ! I see two things here. One is a "grease filled die" (common) with the date.

What you have here is a "Reverse Cud", which results in missing details on the opposite side of the coin....

There is no "Grease Filled Die" here!
Note the cud is directly on the REV side opposite the missing digit on the OBV. I agree with Paul. No grease problems here.

The cud was a result of the anvil (REV) die having a decent chunk of its face removed - making a void. When the hammer die struck the planchet, a void under of the planchet that normally would be forced into the design voids of the hammer die had nothing to support it. So the planchet (in that small area) gave way/flexed instead of receiving the design.

Next logical question: Nowwaittaminutt! Stiff metal like a planchet bends, it doesn't flex to move out of the way of pressure. The coin should be bent in that area if this was not a grease filled die, right?

Answer: Suffice it to say that the planchet could remain unbent since we are dealing with such a small area and the surrounding area of the damaged area would give enough indirect support for the planchet to be flexed rather than have enough room to move to cause a re-alignment of the actual molecules and therefore cause a bend.

Still not convinced metal made to be stiff will flex? Watch the amazing video below by clicking the link. Or install "Ublock Origin" extension for your browser (eliminates funding "censorship-king youtube" by blocking ads - an ad free youtube!), and then search Tacoma Bridge Disaster on youtube.com.

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Should I send this in to get graded with PCGS and is it worth a lot of money to someone who collects errors?
You will need to determine the possible grade range it could be assigned and the selling value beforehand. The count the cost of slabbing to see if you will come out ahead. Heritage Auctions may be a good place to look for something similar.
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#6 Unread post by SensibleSal66 »

Thanks Paul and Earle42. You learn something every day.
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You guys are awesome. Much appreciated and this is why I love the hobby. I have been out of it since age 10 and recently last year got back into the hobby heavy at age 44. I still wish I was collecting coins in the late 80's and early 90's instead of wasting all my money on junk wax era trading cards. My grandfather was the one who brought me to my very first coin shop when I was 10. I remember getting a Johnson 1oz silver bar for $4 and some Morgans for $10 each. My parents ended up selling my collection off when they needed some money so I have been really back into the hobby since early last year. I have learned a ton and started selling coins on Ebay again. I will submit this coin to PCGS or NGC on my next submission. I was going to send in a PCGS 35th anniversary medal to NGC to get slabbed for a laugh. Thank you again for your replies.

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I looked up Heritage Auctions and PCGS graded 1965 MS62 with a Cud Die Break on the Obverse sold for $89 7/15/21. It appears that the ones that people collect are the CUD quarters that cover the date on the obverse. My coin has a large CUD on the reverse which caused the 6 to not strike. My guess is I have around a $30-50 coin raw and if I got it graded (spent the $40+ for a gold shield trueview with PCGS) I would have a $80-100 coin on my hands that I could sell. I am going to list the coin raw on Ebay and see what I get for it. Item number 234324654636 if you are interested in owning this cool little piece of history.

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Well that was fast. Coin sold on Ebay item 234324654636 for $50 + shipping. Thanks again and I hope this post can help others in the future to determine errors and the value.
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ccharin wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:01 pm Well that was fast. Coin sold on Ebay item 234324654636 for $50 + shipping. Thanks again and I hope this post can help others in the future to determine errors and the value.
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ccharin wrote: Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:39 pm I looked up Heritage Auctions and PCGS graded 1965 MS62 with a Cud Die Break on the Obverse sold for $89 7/15/21. It appears that the ones that people collect are the CUD quarters that cover the date on the obverse. My coin has a large CUD on the reverse which caused the 6 to not strike. My guess is I have around a $30-50 coin raw and if I got it graded (spent the $40+ for a gold shield trueview with PCGS) I would have a $80-100 coin on my hands that I could sell. I am going to list the coin raw on Ebay and see what I get for it. Item number 234324654636 if you are interested in owning this cool little piece of history.
Its great to see someone doing homework before using these companies. Too many people lose money using the companies, and others have a misplaced mindset thinking everyone in the hobby "knows" slabbing is the ultimate experience every coin lives its life in hopes of.

Great on the sale also!👍
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