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Morgan Wide Reeding

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hi everyone, do you think this could be a 1921 Morgan Wide Reeding variant? how do you understand it?
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Hmm, Looks a little unusable to me . Have you weighed and measured it plus checked it to be Silver ? I'm also trying to figure out what you mean by "wide reeding"
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Yes. Is silver
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Re: Morgan Wide Reeding

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Just because it weighs within mint tolerance doesn't mean the coin is authentic. The coin has been cleaned at the least and is suspicious looking. Also we can't see the reeding, those are on the edge of the coin. I recommend using vamworld.com for this question so you can research wide reeding.

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the coin is 100% good. likely that it was washed in the past and has now taken on a dark gray patina. I take new pic
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What "Mintmark" are we looking at here please?
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My first thought was also that it looks suspicious. The Chinese are very good at making Morgan copies. But as Daniel said, use vamworld.com to match it up.
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thanks but i did not find anything matching in vamworld
what I don't understand is what makes you think of a fake, what detail ???
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One more thing first - check the thickness. Chinese fakes have to use an alloy mixture to make the weight of their coins match with a legit one. This means the fake's thicknesses are off usually.
thanks but i did not find anything matching in vamworld
what I don't understand is what makes you think of a fake, what detail ???
Well, your last post gave me another reason to suspect this coin. Because you said:
...thanks but i did not find anything matching in vamworld
VAMworld is a place where silver dollar enthusiasts have been posting the most minute details of legitimate dollar coins for quite some time now. That resource is THE authority on these silver dollars. Not finding it there is a very good indicator you do not have a legit coin.

No, it not being on VAMworld is not absolute proof, but the abundance of decent looking Chinese fakes plus your not finding on that website would make anyone familiar with Morgans suspicious to say the least.

Before tour last post...here was my reasoning (remembering I do not have it in hand, but am only looking at pictures):
1. The Chinese are very, very good at making fake Morgans (I have a study on one I deliberately bought to study years ago posted here:
Fake 1879 Morgan study
Please scroll down through that until you find the area about the reeding. Reeding being off was a factor showing a counterfeit.
Although I know there is a variety for this year that has the wide reeds (I own one), this fact would also make a good "target" coin for the Chinese to copy since the legit version is odd anyway.

2. When someone has been around fakes, a person's mind will "summarize" the subtle design characteristics of a legit coin so that when something suspect comes up, the suspect registers as just "not right."

I am totally aware there is no science behind that. But familiarity with coin designs sometimes makes a red flag go up. Your coins pictures did this to me. It just does not look right in the pics - maybe in hand it would be different. But I told you my first impressions.

3. The Chinese also make very good looking weathered/circulated/toned fakes. The smoothness of the details (as the picture seems to show) is another factor in Chinese fakes.

4. This coin may have been highly polished in the past (mushy details), and then accumulated dirt/toning. I know if it were mine though I would be weighing, making measurements, doing a graphic overlay with a legit Morgan, and doing a magnet test.

All of the above is why, when I saw the pics initially, A red flag went up.
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