Strikethrough?

[Silver Wolf]

Hello everybody. I'm new here and was wondering if y'all could help me.

I have a 1965 SMS Quarter w/ what I believe to be a strikethrough. It's in mint state...I pulled it out of a SMS.

I would really appreciate your opinions on this.

Thank you.

[SensibleSal66]

Hello and Welcome !

[Silver Wolf]

Hello SensibleSal66. Thank you! I hope the day finds you well.

[Silver Wolf]

Do you have an idea about what's going on w/ this coin? I can post other pics from diff angles if you wish.

[DSCoins]

Welcome Silver Wolf

Using just one photo of the reverse of the coin does not make it easy to give a good opinion on the coin.

The following is the best way to post your photos. This will give those who give you their opinion a better understanding what is going on with the coin.
When posting photos of a coin you would like someone to look at, you NEED to post a Cropped photo of both the the full Obverse and Reverse looking straight down. Try to take these photos as clear and close as possible. Next take some photos of the area in question, also as close and clear as possible. It would also help if you could find some way to point to the area in question or give a detailed explanation of what you want to be looked at. DO NOT just say "What Error is this?", "What do you think about this coin and what is the value?" or "What can you tell me about this coin?". We would happily provide you with sites you can research coin errors and varieties. If you need a photo editing program, there are three free ones that come to mind. They are PhotoScape, Inkscape and Gimp. Of the three PhotoScape is the easiest to use. I use PhotoScape and it will do everything required to post photos on the board. Daniel explains quite well in the following two topics, POSTING PHOTOS plus his video on this same topic Daniels posting Coins Video on posting coins

[Daniel]

I can't tell what's going on with your coin but these SMS sets can easily be opened and the coins can be replaced without damaging the holder. I am not saying this happened but considering the coin has something like this you can't rule out that possibility.

[Paul]

Do you have an idea about what's going on w/ this coin? I can post other pics from diff angles if you wish.

Yes please

[Silver Wolf]

Please forgive DSCoins. I must have read the rules wrong. I thought I could only post one picture. Here are more. No filters.

[Silver Wolf]

For Daniel

The SMS I cut it from is in cello pouches and envelope like regular vintage mint sets. I cut it out of the cello myself. No one but me has touched it since it was put into a set in 1965.

If you'd like, I'll post a pic of the rest of the set...it's still intact. :)

[Silver Wolf]

Area in question.

[Paul]

I'm still unable to decipher your images as they are to overexposed and washed out.
I would recommend practicing with your imaging device, and using different lighting techniques

[Earle42]

Paul beat me to it. The lighting makes it impossible to see actual details from too much reflection and overexposure. Do try to get some pictures that will allow us to zoom in and see details so we can give an opinion.

[Silver Wolf]

???

[finalfantasy]

I'm no expert but from the pictures there are a lot of mixed signals here. As for your telling reverse it looks to be a lamination error or broken die resulting in CUD. Perhaps, I am wrong but either way get a holder for it from a local coin dealer and see what the dealer has to say about the coin. Or get better pictures with better lighting and background so the other experts can give you an opinion. It can't hurt just like coming here. Everyone here seems very depressed and dismayed or maybe it is just me. @Daniel do you still have the coin errors page I can't seem to find it so I had to use Wikipedia.

[Silver Wolf]

Sorry. Didn't know there was a second page. I downloaded a editing program. I have a cheap USB micro and the lighting is impossible to get right. I'll take new pics and post them.

There's no rea; LCS where I am. That's why I'm looking here.

[Silver Wolf]

I'm sorry. My lighting and microscope suck! I'm saving for a better one.

[DSCoins]

Your Reverse, still has to much reflection. The photo of the Obverse is a lot better then the Reverse. What you may need to do is take a bunch of photos of the Reverse, then go through them looking for the one you think represents the best view. A lot of times I will end up taking 20-50 shots of one side, plus a equal number of the other side. I will then go through them looking for the best in focus image shot that best represents what I am seeing. Something else you want to consider. If you are searching boxes of a denomination, place the coins you think have a error/variety into something (I use the clear plastic tubes) until you finish that box. After you complete it, than take the coins you think has an error or a variety and check them again. If you still find that coin to be something, than do the research on it (if you need the sites to research, I am sure someone will be more then happy to post them for you). I find that when I do it this way, I will find that I can not find what I thought is was. Thus it goes into the discard pile.

[Earle42]

Put tissue over the LEDS on the microscope to cut the glare. Just tape the over the bottom of the LEDS. Maybe a couple layers if needed.

[Silver Wolf]

Oh! Right, something to diffuse the light. I'll try that!! Thank you!!!

[Silver Wolf]

Didn't work. Never mind. I'll just send the thing in and have it graded. Thank you. I'm sorry I can't post a perfect picture.

[Earle42]

Um....the grading companies are not going to look at it and tell you what kind of error it is. They do not do that. A lot of people send them things thinking they will have the slabbing companies tell them what they have and get a slabbed and graded coin back, nothing else, and have wasted their money. People who have slabs with a noted error marked on the label had to:
1. Research and find what the error was.
2. See if the company they are sending to even recognizes the error they think thay have.
3. Pay an extra fee for them to label it this way or not.
4. Do not always get what they paid for b/c the companies are not good at variety attribution despite having a large market presence and (IMO non deserved) reputation hyped by online presence on eBay etc (which really made them popular).


Please read this:

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Here is more info concerning the nature of the grading companies to help people make better educated decisions.
Thinking of Slabbing? Make sure you understand the Facts...or You Could Lose Money.


1. People seem to think grading companies will examine a coin to see if they can find an error and then slab it as such. They ONLY GRADE coins and do NOT try to find errors on coins.

2. The grading companies are not a way that the majority of people, even those with a great deal of experience who know what they are doing, are going to be able to use in order to make huge personal profits. Many people start using grading companies thinking they will find a way to finance their hobby, but they learn a hard lesson quickly.

3. Watch some of Daniel's videos where he gets pieces back form the grading companies. Note even people who live, eat, breath, and deal coins for a living (like Daniel) can accurately predict what grade the companies will give. And...the "fault" (not really a fault) is in a widespread mistaken perception people get from being exposed to all the slabs being sold nowadays.

Coin grading companies are a business out to make a profit - this is why they exist. They use a system where (allegedly, but in reality its normally two) three graders look at each coin and give an opinion. The company videos showing the process make you believe this is a relaxed paced process of studying each coin. In fact one PCGS video shows a number of guys sitting around a table discussing what they think a specific coin should be graded as (on youtube somewhere - sorry no link). Uh uh.

If you take a PCGS graded coin slabbed as MS64, break it out, and resubmit it to PCGS, you are never guaranteed the same grade again. The slabbed coin might come back MS62 (bad day for graders), 63, 64, 65, 66 (great day for you!). This is b/c the process is all subjective: No scientific/verifiable standards or methods are used. Personally having talked with former graders (granted - its been awhile), the process is very rushed since they told me graders are paid by how many coins they can get through in a day.

But..this is all hearsay without proof. So...
Grading the Coin Graders

Here is another good read from someone there at the start of the grading companies:
Hobby negative impacts from slabbing companies

Also link to and read (download if you want it) the pdf link in my signature. The verifiable data presented shows trusting people have spent thousands of dollars on many slabbed coins that are not what the companies claims/slabbed the coins to be.

You don't have to throw in the towel over these companies...but education about the reality of them will put you on the right pathway to dealing with them in a legit way without losing money in the process.

And…if you just like to collect slabbed coins for what they are, which makes losing/making money from slabs irrelevant, then of course enjoy them!"

[Silver Wolf]

So how do I get proof that this is an error?? I know my pics suck, but this isn't a gouge, it's a dent w/ no contact, or PMD marks. The dent doesn't go onto the edge.

[DSCoins]

I would ask Paul if he would look at it in hand. You can also post it on the CONECA forum, it they think it is a error they may have you send it in for attribution. If CONECA wants you to send to someone for attribution it will be some where around $5.00, where as if you know what it is and send it in to a TPG it would/will cost a min of $65.00.

[Earle42]

I would send it to Paul. He is a master Die Variety Examiner for CONECA. He can tell you in hand what you have and what he tells you will be fact. Send him a PM to get instructions.

[RevlisAg]

I think its not worth grading if you just like the coin. I can take my coin out and say "wow that is awesome". Good for me. I don't need anybody saying that it is better than others or worth more.

[Paul]

I'm no expert but from the pictures there are a lot of mixed signals here. As for your telling reverse it looks to be a lamination error or broken die resulting in CUD. Perhaps, I am wrong but either way get a holder for it from a local coin dealer and see what the dealer has to say about the coin. Or get better pictures with better lighting and background so the other experts can give you an opinion. It can't hurt just like coming here. Everyone here seems very depressed and dismayed or maybe it is just me. @Daniel do you still have the coin errors page I can't seem to find it so I had to use Wikipedia.

"Everyone here seems very depressed and dismayed or maybe it is just me."
It's 100% you!

[Silver Wolf]

Thank you everyone! I messaged Paul as suggested.

[Paul]

Thank you everyone! I messaged Paul as suggested.

I just sent you a return message

[DSCoins]

I'm no expert but from the pictures there are a lot of mixed signals here. As for your telling reverse it looks to be a lamination error or broken die resulting in CUD. Perhaps, I am wrong but either way get a holder for it from a local coin dealer and see what the dealer has to say about the coin. Or get better pictures with better lighting and background so the other experts can give you an opinion. It can't hurt just like coming here. Everyone here seems very depressed and dismayed or maybe it is just me. @Daniel do you still have the coin errors page I can't seem to find it so I had to use Wikipedia.

Your right, you are not a expert but neither am I.

Strike One. No it is not a lamination error. It is a clad coin and as such can not be a lamination error.

Strike two. It is NOT a cud error. I highly recommend that you research what a CUD really is. Glossary of Error Terms and Error-Ref.

Strike Three. No one other than you is depressed or dismayed. Like Paul said 100% you

Get a folder from a local coin dealer? You can just order 2x2's and Mylar flips online. On Amos Advantage you can order them in groups of 100 for 4.99 or 3.45 for members. It is the same price for all denominations. You can also search Amazon. I would say from Daniels online site, but he does not carry them (hint hint Daniel ).