1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
After seeing Paul's example, I am withdrawing my initial stand on multi-error (choosing both) and siding with delamination. The error on the nickel appears just like the error on the penny, but in a smaller scale.
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
Same consensus as the opinion I came to looking at the coin. I only saw Coop's answer after I had already come up with my own opinion. He did not mention the shadows and lighting though.SensibleSal66 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:37 pm Lee, what did they say over at the other Forum ? Here we seem to be divided . Has or is coin going to be attributed ? I would be interested to see how this turns out .
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
SensibleSal66 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:37 pm Lee, what did they say over at the other Forum ? Here we seem to be divided . Has or is coin going to be attributed ? I would be interested to see how this turns out .
Same consensus as the opinion I came to looking at the coin. I only saw Coop's answer after I had already come up with my own opinion. He did not mention the shadows and lighting though.
One more thing I forgot to mention that I meant to was that I was thinking if this is a strike through, the object could have been a thin one. Hence the details that can be seen remain. This is something Coop did mention in his explanation:[/quote]
Here you go: Start here...
CCF debate Coop on p.2
Which all shows to go you that experts can differ as well on opinions - and especially as Paul has reminded us - when looking at pictures.
Granted a lot of you here do not know Coop, so to put a little background here, there are over 108,000 users on CCF and you find many posts where people say...wait until Coop chimes in.
If you look through his posts, he, like Paul, more depth of concept on the coining process and coins overall than most of us in the hobby. Over the last 10 years I have been very impressed with his knowledge, and he also has a VAST collection of coins and errors with references that he has links (in his signature) for sharing.
So am I SURE I am right? Nope! That's why I like this coin. But I still lean towards a thin strike though (but won't shut the book entirely on a very unusual delam!).
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
Sorry Paul...you lost me. I understand what you mean about the image...which leaves it open for interpretation right?
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https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
Yes, being able to "Read" a 2 dimensional image,… Requires a pretty good learning curve.
Choosing the proper angle and lighting, as in the example I posted, takes any guesswork out of the equation.
Of course I could've imaged it differently to confuse a numismatic diagnostician. But that wasn't my intention.
… And this is why so many individuals get "Taken", when the image of the anomaly is intentionally misrepresented.
Choosing the proper angle and lighting, as in the example I posted, takes any guesswork out of the equation.
Of course I could've imaged it differently to confuse a numismatic diagnostician. But that wasn't my intention.
… And this is why so many individuals get "Taken", when the image of the anomaly is intentionally misrepresented.
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
I agree.
The person who took the photos is no fly by night eBay seller though, so at least we know that. The owner also shows typical coin photography skills for not deliberately trying to get the lighting correct to emphasize whatever details would need be to highlight pertinent details.
When you asked "why?" I was just confused b/c what you said about the pics and 2D vs. 3D was something you and I both had pointed out.
I was assuming the number of times all of that was mentioned that people were understanding that the pictures are all we have to assess, so we were taking the available data and thinking through the details/clues to figure out what the cause of that coin's appearance, in hand, would be.
Revision:
More thought (taking into account all the "picture vs. reality" above)... the thickness of an object causing a strike though and its hardness should also be determines the details that will be struck through the object into the coin. A tiny flake of very thin metal with a harness more than the nickel planchet would likely leave no details below it when pooped out. But a piece of thick (relative term) cotton cloth/paper towel would not cause as much detail to be wiped out.
So I again revise my opinion ("picture vs. reality" included!) to say I would not know, leaning towards the strike through, if it was a thin or a thick object b/c hardness also has to come into play.
The person who took the photos is no fly by night eBay seller though, so at least we know that. The owner also shows typical coin photography skills for not deliberately trying to get the lighting correct to emphasize whatever details would need be to highlight pertinent details.
When you asked "why?" I was just confused b/c what you said about the pics and 2D vs. 3D was something you and I both had pointed out.
I was assuming the number of times all of that was mentioned that people were understanding that the pictures are all we have to assess, so we were taking the available data and thinking through the details/clues to figure out what the cause of that coin's appearance, in hand, would be.
Revision:
More thought (taking into account all the "picture vs. reality" above)... the thickness of an object causing a strike though and its hardness should also be determines the details that will be struck through the object into the coin. A tiny flake of very thin metal with a harness more than the nickel planchet would likely leave no details below it when pooped out. But a piece of thick (relative term) cotton cloth/paper towel would not cause as much detail to be wiped out.
So I again revise my opinion ("picture vs. reality" included!) to say I would not know, leaning towards the strike through, if it was a thin or a thick object b/c hardness also has to come into play.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8
How much squash would a sasquatch squash if a sasquatch would squash squash?
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
I just think the planchet had the delamination before it was struck and it's not enough to effect the weight much if at all. Besides normal coins can have different weight ranges so that would not prove if it's a delamination or not because of the tolerances and allowances at the mint.
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Re: 1940-S 5¢: "Delam" or "Struck Through"
I hear you Daniel, the image used in this post, is not sufficient enough for a proper evaluation....
Just throwing that out there as a option.
Just throwing that out there as a option.
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