1967 Canada Half dollar - Is this post mint scratching or die damage?

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1967 Canada Half dollar - Is this post mint scratching or die damage?

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I have this Canadian SP half a dollar that looks absolutely stunning except for somewhat looks like rub mark on the queen's shoulder. i found a coin graded by pcgs in PL66 with these same marks but idk if its damage or die damage? any info would be great thanks.
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Re: 1967 Canada Half dollar - Is this post mint scratching or die damage?

#2 Unread post by Earle42 »

OK - not simple to answer - history needed:
1. This is a proof-like (PL) coin.
2. PL coins were made with used regular circulation dies after being treated in a nitric acid bath and polished. While the original article about this is not on the internet anymore (that I could find), the info is quoted on some forums as being:
3. The pressure was higher than a normal business strike, but the shoulder area was always one of the high points of the design and not always fully struck.
4. I am not positive, but there is a term called "dimpling" used in Canadian numismatics and refers to texturing on the Queen's shoulder area.

All of the above added together was the cause of dimpling.

If someone can show me where I am off base on all of this, I would appreciate it. I think you are seeing dimpling.

BTW - the term PL was never used at the RCM but was made by Charlton (Canadian price guide for coins) around 1954.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
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Earle thanks you for the feedback, but this coin actually is SP, it came out of the black case with the gold coin. but if your true that would be great cause i want to get it graded, ik its not worth it but i personally want to cause i like it.

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#4 Unread post by Peggysis »

Earle42 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:39 am OK - not simple to answer - history needed:
1. This is a proof-like (PL) coin.
2. PL coins were made with used regular circulation dies after being treated in a nitric acid bath and polished. While the original article about this is not on the internet anymore that I could find, the info is quoted on some forums as being:
3. The pressure was higher than a normal business strike, but the shoulder area was always one of the high points of the design and not always fully struck.
4. I am not positive, but there is a term called "dimpling" used in Canadian numismatics and refers to texturing on the Queen's shoulder area.

All of the above added together was the cause of dimpling.

If someone can show me where I am off base on all of this, I would appreciate it. I think you are seeing dimpling.

BTW - the term PL was never used at the RCM but was made by Charlton (Canadian price guide for coins) around 1954.
Very accurate from what I remember. I have the same RCM set and it's a favorite. Thanks.

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#5 Unread post by Earle42 »

2rtgah567 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:31 am Earle thanks you for the feedback, but this coin actually is SP, it came out of the black case with the gold coin. but if your true that would be great cause i want to get it graded, ik its not worth it but i personally want to cause i like it.
All the more reason to have it graded IMO! Hobbies are about enjoyment. That wolf is one of my favorite overall designs, although I really like the typical half dollar REV as well from Canada.
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#6 Unread post by Earle42 »

Peggysis wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:17 am
Earle42 wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:39 am OK - not simple to answer - history needed:
1. This is a proof-like (PL) coin.
2. PL coins were made with used regular circulation dies after being treated in a nitric acid bath and polished. While the original article about this is not on the internet anymore that I could find, the info is quoted on some forums as being:
3. The pressure was higher than a normal business strike, but the shoulder area was always one of the high points of the design and not always fully struck.
4. I am not positive, but there is a term called "dimpling" used in Canadian numismatics and refers to texturing on the Queen's shoulder area.

All of the above added together was the cause of dimpling.

If someone can show me where I am off base on all of this, I would appreciate it. I think you are seeing dimpling.

BTW - the term PL was never used at the RCM but was made by Charlton (Canadian price guide for coins) around 1954.
Very accurate from what I remember. I have the same RCM set and it's a favorite. Thanks.
Thanks for the verification :)
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#7 Unread post by pahwa »

Earle42, that was some wonderful information, thank you for posting that.
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#8 Unread post by Earle42 »

WhIle this is an old thread, I made up a graphic of this, so am posting it.
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Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8

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#10 Unread post by Earle42 »

Thanks Paul...corrected.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
https://tinyurl.com/y7rksxu8

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