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Hey everybody. I am wondering if anybody else thinks this is the doubled die? I see a lot of similarities.

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Oops! You forgot something. Pictures please?
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Sorry about that. I thought they were attatched
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neal2023 wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 4:40 am Hey everybody. I am wondering if anybody else thinks this is the doubled die? I see a lot of similarities.
Greetings, I don`t see any Doubled Die here but Machine Doubling or Die Deterioration at work. Taking pictures off the screen pixelates the image making it hard to see well. ;)
There is only 1 Doubled Die for this year and mint, here you can see the difference between your coin and the one listed.
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The following takes you to a page on the forum showing you how to determine when you have an actual doubled die where you can check to see if this one, or any one you may find in the future is a doubled die :D

Immediate Answers - How to find your Doubled Die or RPM online

Your coin must match up to the smallest details in those pictures b/c every coin struck from a set of doubled dies has to be absolutely identical to all the others struck from that die. If you do not find an exact match then you have something such as die deterioration doubling, machine/strike doubling, post mint damage, etc. All of those terms can be looked up at error-ref.com
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I see no die doubling in the images posted on this thread
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I agree, not a doubled die based on these images.

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Here are some new better pictures
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Anybody else think this looks like a doubled die?

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neal2023 wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 1:48 am Anybody else think this looks like a doubled die?
No. Not with these Pics. :doh: :naughty:
Here's what it should look like>
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This 1958 is a perfect example though. perfectly clean, perfectly lit, perfectly photographed.. and seemingly uncirculated.. My 1958 has been circulated for 66 years, is not clean at all, and I dont have the lighting or camera equipment to take that kind of picture. So am I right to assume that because my 1958 isnt as clean as this one and because I cant take this good of a picture, then mine isn't this doubled die? I'm not trying to argue here, I am trying to learn. How does the N on my 1958 look like that if its not a doubled die? Can the top left part of the N deteriorate into an absolute perfect V shape? And can the O of God deteriorate so it looks like there are two of them looped through one another?

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neal2023 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:24 am This 1958 is a perfect example though. perfectly clean, perfectly lit, perfectly photographed.. and seemingly uncirculated.. My 1958 has been circulated for 66 years, is not clean at all, and I dont have the lighting or camera equipment to take that kind of picture. So am I right to assume that because my 1958 isnt as clean as this one and because I cant take this good of a picture, then mine isn't this doubled die? I'm not trying to argue here, I am trying to learn. How does the N on my 1958 look like that if its not a doubled die? Can the top left part of the N deteriorate into an absolute perfect V shape? And can the O of God deteriorate so it looks like there are two of them looped through one another?
Greetings, Sal was correct in his assessment and display of an example as was Earle and Pual`s assessment , this is because of the fact that there is only one example of a DDO for this year and Mint.
We can`t make adjustments for age and wear to create something that it is not, what your looking at is Machine Doubling/Die Deterioration. Go here as Earle suggested and see for your self ;)
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#13 Unread post by mhonzell »

The best I can tell is you are attempting to take a photo through a clear plastic type of holder. This is adding a lot of confusion to your photos because the camera focus is on the holder's surface or the foam rings, not the coin. As we try to zoom in, it just becomes a mess.


Sal's example is not to compare photography skills, but to allow you to compare your coin to the only known example of a DDO for the 1958 LWC. Look at the word LIBERTY and it is immediately obvious that your coin does not match. So, we rule out DDO and move to the more likely event occurring: machine doubling.
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#14 Unread post by Daniel »

Your coin isn't a doubled die and it's not a doubled die because doubled dies don't look like your coin looks.

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