1909 VDB does this look MS63 to you?

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1909 VDB does this look MS63 to you?

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I'm new to grading and just wanted to run this by the group. Would you guys agree with MS63 on this? It looks a lot cleaner and redder to the eye than it does in photographs.
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Re: 1909 VDB does this look MS63 to you?

#3 Unread post by Earle42 »

Easy answer: no - the pics show too much surface roughness overall...but they are just pictures.
You said:
It looks a lot cleaner and redder to the eye than it does in photographs.
Since grading depends on details, when the pictures hide the details, its impossible to give a God guess.

Answer based in technical fact:
The grading companies use not actual, scientific and verifiable standard of grading. You can break an MS63 cent out of a PCGS slab (or any other company), return it to them to be graded, and it is not guaranteed the same MS grade again. Yes...its that subjective. No, this is not uncommon. Yes, it makes the grading companies money b/c they get people playing this crack and re-slab game (paying each time of course) to try to get the higher "money" level grade.

So a person asks, "Did I get the grade right?" please understand getting a grade actually "right" with current systems is totally impossible. There is no "right" grade when no standard calibration tools are used to tell what grade a coin is! All you can possibly get is a ballpark of what people might generally say.

Its like measuring the length of a stick without using a ruler... "Yeah, that looks about a foot long to me." You will not get an actual measurement of the stick - only guesses. Which explains the above concept of why the re-slabbing game works for the companies.

And yes, a lot of collectors do not know the above facts. And its not all that uncommon for those who have a bundle of cash (understatement in some cases) into slabbed coins to really not WANT to know (believe) the above. Can you blame them?

But..this is all hearsay without proof. So...
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Want more? Read the essay in my signature. Its an eye opener for sure with linked facts and pics form the PCGS website.
Common grading company shortcomings & resulting co$tly mi$take$ to collectors (using Kennedy No FG halves):
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We can't grade your coins to the point grade using images.

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Understood. I was mostly just trying to guage wether I was in the ball park for my own skill level. This image of the reverse reflects the color and luster. It does have these toned spots. The only damage is tiny scratches on the field in the obverse in front of Lincoln's face. The coin arrived with the plastic in the flip torn so I'm willing to bet it's from a staple. Too bad, as you can see the color and luster are gorgeous.

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#6 Unread post by Daniel »

Again, we can't help you with that. You also need to practice imaging skills if you want help with questions like this, no one can help you grade using images, and blurry and out of focus images make it even worse.

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#7 Unread post by Christien »

I didn't ask you to grade my coin, I merely asked.... Never mind. Why is the coin community like this? Enjoy your moment, I'm out.

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#8 Unread post by Alan H »

For developing your personal grading skills, get yourself a copy of Coin World's "Making The Grade". It's pretty much my Bbile here. Full of photos and easy to understand. Knowledge is power! https://www.wizardcoinsupply.com/produc ... uQQAvD_BwE

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#9 Unread post by Daniel »

Christien wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 6:34 am I didn't ask you to grade my coin, I merely asked.... Never mind. Why is the coin community like this? Enjoy your moment, I'm out.
You ask if it looks MS63 and we can't tell you that using images. We can't even tell if it's MS or not based on these images. You ask an impossible to answer question then get upset. Maybe this community is not for you. We don't guess here, we give the facts to the best of our ability.

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