Very unusual 1964 P Kennedy Half Dollar - thick rim - proof?. Thoughts???

[ArtGlenn]

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Very unusual 1964 (P) Kennedy Half Dollar. This coin is shown in a variety of lighting and different angles. Has been in a small private collection for decades. It has a VERY thick rim which would indicate a proof coin. But it lacks reflectivity of a proof coin. It doesn't have a mint mark. It doesn't appear to be an accented hair variety. Thoughts???

[Daniel]

There's nothing significant about your coin and everything is within mint specifications.

[ArtGlenn]

The expert I took it to had a chance to examine it in person and said it was "highly unusual" but thanks for trying.

[Daniel]

He didn't know what he was looking at, trust me. You will find out that I gave you the best the most accurate answer you're going to get.

[ArtGlenn]

It definitely helps to see it next to other coins...but I know how confusing this can be. Thank you for your time. ✌

[Daniel]

I don't need to see it compared to another coin. I do this for a living, literally, and your coin has nothing out of the ordinary about it, and nothing that will add any value to it. Just remember, when you're finished trying to get someone to tell you it is special, that you heard the truth and facts here first.

[Daniel]

I would like to add, a real expert on mint errors and varieties would have had an explanation on what is going on with your coin, they don't just say "highly unusual". Experts know what they're looking at. You might have a slightly misaligned and business strike coin, but it's not going to be significant enough to add value.

[Earle42]

I agree with Daniel. Look at how the left rim is wider than the one on the right. This is just a slightly misaligned die error (M.A.D.) with no added value.

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Just saying, I would be careful getting advice from someone saying he is an expert yet does not know what a common M.A.D. coin is.

[ArtGlenn]

Daniel also said that the coin was the accented hair variety, which it clearly is not.

And I'm not seeing the error that you're referring to. The rim looks uniform all the way around.

But I appreciate the feedback

[Earle42]

I can see now from the one pic you posted (copied below), what I thought was a thin rim was just a trick of the lighting.

I am sorry I did not catch and mention this before b/c my alleged MAD picture never would have happened, but forum posting guidelines for posting ask people not to have coins in 2X2s - this is one of the reasons.

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Could you remove it and post some pictures?

[Paul]

I would like to add, a real expert on mint errors and varieties would have had an explanation on what is going on with your coin, they don't just say "highly unusual". Experts know what they're looking at. You might have a slightly misaligned and business strike coin, but it's not going to be significant enough to add value.

[ArtGlenn]

Additional close-up pics.

I took the coin to another dealer yesterday. He looked at the coin under magnification for a solid 10 minutes. He then proceded to offer me $500 for the coin. I told him that I'd sleep on it.

He said the offer stands as long as the coin isn't graded by NGC or PCGS and it remains in the sealed packaging. Which I found to be a bit strange???

$500 is a good amount, so I'll probably take him up on his offer (unless someone can give me a reason not to).

Again, I really appreciate the help!

[ArtGlenn]

Few more...

[Musicbox man63]

Hmmm. seems wrong. I don't know why anyone would offer a 500 for this coin. i mean it's not the rare SMS. or an otherwise rare coin. anyone else have any ideas. Maybe he thought he could rip someone off with it.

[Musicbox man63]

i will add this. the coins finish does look a little different.

[Musicbox man63]

to show that this coin is not the sms i am including pcgs' image here

[Daniel]

You continue to post coin images in the holder which is against our posting guidelines. I’ve been in this business all my life, grandpa was a coin dealer, my dad and now me. I feel something g fishy here, two dealers who act like this coin is something? Then why are you posting it here and still in the holder? We can’t tell you anymore than we have already. No offense here but I’ve been around the block many times.

[Musicbox man63]

please take the coin out of the holder. if the coin had value it will still hold that value in the holder.

[Musicbox man63]

i mean out of the holder. not in

[Musicbox man63]

in this case at least. this isn't true in all cases

[Earle42]

...$500 is a good amount, so I'll probably take him up on his offer (unless someone can give me a reason not to)

Well, I couldn't personally take 500.00 for it b/c I like to sleep at night.

[Musicbox man63]

i would take it for $8.11

[ArtGlenn]

Sorry, I'm not removing the coin from the sealed packaging. Not until i know exactly what I'm dealing with. I'll find another coin forum. Thanks for the help.

[SensibleSal66]

Sorry, I'm not removing the coin from the sealed packaging. Not until i know exactly what I'm dealing with. I'll find another coin forum. Thanks for the help.

I guess you can't please everyone.
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[ArtGlenn]

Why is it so crucial that the coin be removed from the sealed packaging? Are opinions going to suddenly change?

[SensibleSal66]

Why is it so crucial that the coin be removed from the sealed packaging? Are opinions going to suddenly change?

It's not my rule. Ask the owner.

[JTCC]

This is just a normal 1964 half dollar in post-mint third party fancy packaging, nothing special about it. It’s only worth it’s bullion value. I highly doubt any experienced numismatist would comment on this being “highly unusual” and then having no explanation or offering $500 on it if they knew what they are doing. And yes, we ask for the coin in question to be removed from holders such as 2x2’s which doesn’t affect the coins value.

[JTCC]

Daniel also said that the coin was the accented hair variety, which it clearly is not.

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[ArtGlenn]

Daniel also said that the coin was the accented hair variety, which it clearly is not.

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It was deleted

[ArtGlenn]

This is just a normal 1964 half dollar in post-mint third party fancy packaging, nothing special about it. It’s only worth it’s bullion value. I highly doubt any experienced numismatist would comment on this being “highly unusual” and then having no explanation or offering $500 on it if they knew what they are doing. And yes, we ask for the coin in question to be removed from holders such as 2x2’s which doesn’t affect the coins value.

It's not in a 2x2.

[ArtGlenn]

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[Daniel]

Now you’re lying I never deleted any comment here and never claimed it was an accented hair. I most certainly did not do that.

[Daniel]

And this is why we have the rules we do here, don’t you think it would be important to tell us it’s a first day cover from the US postal service? The dealer is offering that not because of the coin but because of the whole package. Some people love to collect FDC with a coin. The coin is not special in and off itself and I never deleted any of my comments here.

[Earle42]

I agree with what Daniel said. Your coin, as we said, is typical. It is the special holder it is in that would give it value to people who collect such things.


And I just want to back up what Daniel said about not deleting anything. I am an admin as well and would know if it had. Nothing was deleted. There is no way Daniel would have said this is an accented hair b/c to anyone familiar with Kennedy halves, this one most certainly is not. In fact I would have mentioned if it was an AH in my initial post in this thread b/c I specialize in Kennedy halves.

Why is it so crucial that the coin be removed from the sealed packaging? Are opinions going to suddenly change?

First, from the pictures posted before it looked as if this was in a normal 2X2 holder. Now with the latest pictures, we can see it is actually in a specialize holder commemorating a first day of issue.

We would not have said to remove it from this had we known it was not simply in a 2X2 as your pictures seemed to show.

Second, I believe I already mentioned that we ask people to remove coins from 2X2 holders b/c of the shadows that can happen when taking pictures can hide features as well as the plastic causing glare and making it so we cannot see specific features on the coin surface.

[Daniel]

In addition I want to add that no regular and active member should not know why we require coins out of 2x2s and not mint issue packaging. It’s not just because Daniel said do, we have enough trouble looking at poor coin images let alone coins still in holders. I don’t make rules just because.

[Paul]

we have enough trouble looking at poor coin images let alone coins still in holders.

[monsterbug1]

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sorry to bother you again. I hope you take the 500 dollars because that is somewhat above the ebay pricing for this piece